i am new to the site so forgive me if i'm doing this wrong but somebody posted an article by the society recently on the christian view of brice price or something like that (sorry don't know how to find it) and it really sickened me.
something that i have been dying to say and registered just to do so is that they are so full of it!!!
does anyone remember the article back in the 40's about how it was not right to tip your hat at a women because that would be elevating her above the man and that the woman was never to be elevated above the man......yet during our modern times they write an article saying that this custom is not wrong or demeaning but rather how to do it in a "christian" way.......so tipping your hat to a woman is wrong but apparantly selling your daughter is aokay?????
Welcome to the board....the bride price is acceptable to the witnesses because it was practiced in bible times, otherwise it would have been thrown out as pagan like everything else the society is against. I did not know about the 40s thing with the hat...wow...I would be flattered if a man had done that for me...still I am an old fashioned kind of girl.
Keep posting nice to have you here
while much has been said about bible dramas in recent years, very little information has been given on the effort that goes into one.. i thought i would share my experience.. i played a minor role in the 2003 drama, "boldly witnessing despite oppsition".
this was a full costume drama and revolved around overcoming opposition to the preaching work.. when a congregation is chosen for a bible drama, it is a serious responsibility.
the presiding overseer takes full responsibility for the drama, and in effect becomes the director.
My husband had the "privilage" to direct the dramas that would be used as slide shows. It was an amazing amount of work. He directed a few "live" ones as well..I think he should have been an entertainer, everyone always said his dramas were the best. I remember as the submissive wife being dismissed by the high ups from bethel when they wanted to discuss the dramas to be sent to third world countries. I felt like the third wheel on a bicycle..not funny.
i know of a guy who was df'd for over 12 years,all the time he was on at elders in different congo's that he moved to to get himself back in,of course they referred things to the original jc who informed them that he had made no effort to put things right so he could not come back,not repentant.
(it was a money matter).
he finally cracked it though,is now back in.. what is the longest such case you know of?
18 years a sister in our cong tried to come back...she has a personality disorder....never could control her emotions..told the truth. It held her back for years..poor thing came back and then was avoided as people knew she was drinking, she is an alcoholic.
it always amazes me how expendable we are to this organization.
especially if you are the mom of unbaptized children and the wife to the 'unbeliever'.
in my experience, i was let go and forgotten quite easily (although i get the feeling it might not be over!).
I felt the same as you. We were a high profile family..haha...well everyone enjoyed out house, garden, food and entertainment. Yet we went without a ripple...the only elder that came by after 4 months was a kind oldtimer who was sad and confused as to why we left. We could only reassure him it was not his fault.
I think many elders are scared of the heretics, they cant burn us at the stake, if they cant disfellowship then they are at a loss...we take away their power. I had no intention of ever going back but I did expect a shepherd to at least look for the lost sheep. Now I know that they are not shepherds, they are the spanish inquisition...and nobody expects that do they?
when i was a missionary, i lived in several missionary homes (graduates of mts sometimes lived there with gilead grads).. so of course at first we were all formal and nice.
in time, we kind of got on each others' nerves.. and at first we all told these great experiences from mts and gilead.. after a few months, those stories lost their luster, and we all started to tell the inside scoop about our congregations, bethel, etc.. so one of the gilead missionary couples told me that while they were in gilead, brother jack redford told them confidentially that there had been a murder in a missionary home a few years ago.
i seem to remember it was in the south pacific.
Actually I remember reading on Randy Watters site...his bethel experiences..some on e wrote in and said he had killed someone in a missionary home...it was in the south pacific...wonder if it is still on the site.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/blood+money+injustice/1576415/story.html.
by juliet guichon, dr. ian mitchell and michael duggan, for the calgary herald.
if you are looking for high drama that hollywood might one day package and sell, you need go no further than downtown calgary's transcanada pipelines tower at 10 o'clock this morning, when the court of appeal will convene.. .
Is there a fund set up to help this man? I would contribute...he stands were I prayed I would never have to stand when I was a witness...it was a nightmare just considering this could happen to my children.
*** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.
line of communication.
16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?
I never understand the amount of time used on Reniaa. I predict that she will become an apostate in 2014. Ooops not long before that prophecy fails............
i have an interview tomorrow to bridge from teaching sixth form to secondary - and instead of graphics, it.. i havent worked for a year when i left the kingdom hall and most of my life so i am really nervous about it.. i have to prepare a document outlining my ict skills and also a ten minute presentation.
- ive had this to do since saturday and i have been mostly staring at a blank screen in panic.. - i dont know what ict teachers actually teach there is so much info i cant filter it and all i can see is ict across the curriculum, which is incorporating it into other subjects.
but i wouldnt be teaching other subjects.
You can do this. To leave Jws took more guts than any 10 minute presentation could ever require. Gather your resources you are going to be just fine!
chicken little
i'm new to the forum and couldn't find a place for new members to introduce themselves... so here i am, starting a new topic!(bold!).
i started studying with the jws a few months ago.
we're now on chap.
If it is a guy who is studying with you and he does not bring along a sister...you need to know this. He is totally out of line with the Jw directions...no male should study alone with a female....forbidden. Sooooo he either fancies you and is trying to get around the rules or he is not a fully indoctrinated witness. Interesting. If he brings a sister and it is not his wife or fiancee then he is still on rocky ground according to the society. Of course maybe he is 85 or something...then its ok (haha).
i've been reading for a little while, but really "studying" for a couple of years.
figure i could share my story and listen to what you guys have to say.
i was "born" into jws in 1976. my mother was baptized in 1975.. ouch.
Welcome! If you can afford therapy I would say skrimp and save and have a few sessions..............it helps so much...find one that deals with high control groups. Use time on yourself...you are no good to anyone if you dont find yourself first. Your wife has to find her own way......you may love her and she may love you but you cannot "save " her.
I too was born in....my parents had little education and were emotionally primed (mum) to become witnesses. When we realize that few of us had any choice whatsoever in choosing our religion we are often shocked. It takes time to deal with all the turmoil. I wish you the best and think you are very brave. There has happened a great deal in your life and the inner conflict can pull you apart. Anyemotional blackmail to stay in "the truth" should be seen for what it is........blackmail.
Much love and best wishes
Chicken little
